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掘金要想真正步入争冠行列 关键在小波特?

【键盘侠】掘金要想真正步入争冠行列 关键在小波特?

The Denver Nuggets surprised everybody last year taking the #2 seed with a record of 54-28. Through 35ish games this year, they are yet again the #2 seed at 24-11. What do they need to be viewed as a legitamate Finals contender?

丹佛掘金上赛季以54胜28负的战绩夺得西部第二,这一表现惊艳了所有人。这赛季已经打了35场比赛,他们还能以24胜11负的成绩排在第二。他们还需要怎么做才能被视作是真正的争冠球队?

The complaints about Jokic getting fat may or may not have been valid, but his stats at this point look similar enough to last years. There’s a minimal difference in his percentages. It’s a very slight downturn of his stats from last year that for most other stars would be viewed as negligible.

外界对约基奇身材肥胖的抱怨也许靠谱也许不靠谱,不过他目前的数据是和过去几个赛季很相似的。他的命中率也与以前相差不多。他的数据比起上赛季,只下降了一点点,这要是放在其他大多数球星身上,几乎可以忽略不计。

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[–]Nuggets Dunkman77 218 指標 2 天前

I’ve watched probably 30 of the 35 games. We’re not particularly close to being a contender right now. Probably the biggest weakness? Shot creation out of the backcourt. This team is going to struggle like crazy to score against top playoff teams without better shot creation from the perimeter.

掘金球迷:这赛季我们的比赛我看了30场。我们现在离争冠实力还差不少。也许最大的短板是?后场的机会创造能力。我们外线的机会创造能力如果不能提高的话,那等到季后赛面对那种顶级球队时,就会遇到得分难题。

[–]Nuggets neutronicus 63 指標 2 天前

Specifically Jamal doesn’t shoot enough threes. He kind of needs to be Damian Lillard for things to really work for us I think.

掘金球迷:特别是穆雷,他的三分投得不够多。我觉得球队的进攻要真想打开的话,那穆雷得稍微学习下利拉德。

[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 68 指標 2 天前

thats why they need Porter to be good. Jokic is dependent to create shots for himself and others. Need a guy that can go get buckets.

火箭球迷:所以你们需要小波特变强啊。约基奇可以为自己和队友创造投篮机会。可掘金还需要一个可以冲击篮筐的人。

[–]Nuggets Dunkman77 34 指標 2 天前

I mean yeah if Porter pops to something approaching an all-NBA level then everything’s great. There’s just no #2 guy to go along with Jokic right now. Murray and Millsap are great. Barton and Harris are solid as well, but no one is at that level. Coming into this season I think the idea was that Jokic could potentially take another leap and be transcendent. Given how the first 2 months of the season have gone that seems much less likely now than it did at the end of last season. Something else is going to have to work out for the Nuggets to really get into the contender conversation. Luckily there are a lot of options.

掘金球迷:是啊,如果小波特能成长到接近赛季最佳阵的水准,那一切都好说了。我们现在除了约基奇之外,没有可靠的二当家。穆雷和米尔萨普是不错,巴顿和哈里斯也很稳,不过他们都不是队内二号人物的水平。进入这个赛季的之前,我以为约基奇很可能再上一个大台阶步入顶级行列。鉴于头两个月的表现,貌似这个可能性比起上赛季末的时候小了不少。真要想被大家当做是争冠球队的话,那球队还得在其他方面有所突破。幸运的是,我们的选择还很多。

[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 4 指標 1 天前

If Porter can be a 18-20 pts scorer he will really help. Murray isn’t an iso guy and get get is own shot that well. Barton can hit he’s streaky. Porter could be that guy for Jokic

火箭球迷:如果波特能成为一个场均18到20分的得分手,那他还真能帮上忙。穆雷不是单打得分手,自己创造出手机会的能力也没那么强。巴顿能得分,不过他状态起伏不定。波特或许是约基奇身边的那个人。

[–]Warriors Deusselkerr 7 指標 2 天前

Do you think your Nuggets might be interested in Dlo?

勇士球迷:你们觉得掘金对拉塞尔有兴趣不?

[–]Nuggets Dunkman77 30 指標 2 天前

I think they’re all-in on Murray right now and it would be a defensive nightmare to have him and Russell in the backcourt together. Should they be? That may be a different story. I’m not as high as some on Murray though. I like him but don’t see any max level elite skills either.

掘金球迷:我认为我们目前是押宝在穆雷身上了,要是让他和拉塞尔组成后场,那防守简直是噩梦。球队该引进拉塞尔吗?或许还得另当别论。不过我并不像某些人那样对穆雷有很高的期望。我喜欢他,不过我觉得他不是那种技术顶级的球员。

[–]Mavericks throwaway25813 53 指標 2 天前

maybe i am in the minority and didn’t realize it but i personally believed that they were in the same tier as finals contenders as the rockets were, which for me was one tier below the LA teams

独行侠球迷:或许我是少数人之一,没有想过这个问题,不过我觉得掘金的实力是和火箭这种争冠球队一档的,离洛杉矶双雄只差一个档次。

[–]atlfirsttimer 28 指標 2 天前

Probably not on the Rockets level. James Harden is that scary

或许掘金到不了火箭那个档次吧。哈登那么恐怖

[–]Mavericks Not-Jordan-Clarkson 63 指標 2 天前

Rockets are in the LA tier.

2-1 against the Clippers and haven’t played the Lakers

Rockets will dominate the Nuggets in a series. Bad matchup for them

独行侠球迷:火箭是在洛城双雄那个档次的。

他们打快船2胜1负,这赛季还没打过湖人

要是在季后赛碰上掘金,火箭会打出统治力的。火箭这种对手是掘金的苦主

[–]Mavericks beatnickk 10 指標 2 天前

I dont think the rockets have the defensive ceiling to be in the same tier as the LA teams

独行侠球迷:我觉得火箭的防守上限还到不了洛城双雄那个级别

[–]Nuggets njasa10 22 指標 2 天前

I’ve been saying Rockets over Clips, Clips over Lakers, Lakers over Rockets so it’s all about matchups I think.

掘金球迷:我一直都觉得,火箭比快船强,快船比湖人强,湖人比火箭强,所以关键在于对阵情况。

[–]Mavericks Not-Jordan-Clarkson 11 指標 2 天前

Looks good but I’ll wait for Lakers to play the Rockets.

Ultra small ball vs Ultra Big Ball

独行侠球迷:看着不错,不过我还是等等看湖人打火箭吧

终极小球vs终极大球

[–]EricHangingOut 4 指標 2 天前

The Rockets are a nightmare match-up for the Lakers. Lakers can’t keep quick guards out of the paint and Harden is going to feast on them. On the other side, you at least have PJ Tucker to throw at Bron, and if Gordon comes back healthy, he’s actually strong enough to give you ten minutes a night against Bron in a series.

湖人要是碰上火箭,那是很不好打的。湖人没法跟上对方外线速度快的后卫,哈登怕是要予取予求。换个角度说,火箭至少还能让塔克跟着老詹,如果戈登健康回归,在一轮系列赛里,他其实可以有场均10分钟与詹姆斯对位的时间,他有那个实力。

[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 20 指標 2 天前

No way can the Rockets stop AD. PJ nor Cappella can guard him. Those are the only real options. We don’t have big perimeter players either to guard Lebron.

火箭球迷:我们是没法拦住戴维斯的,塔克和卡佩拉都不行。这俩还是我们唯二的选择。而且我们也没有身材高大的外线球员去防老詹。

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[–]Celtics GriffHay 347 指標 2 天前*

I think they’re real close, but they need a second player that’s at least a borderline all-star, take over a game type guy so that they don’t need to solely rely on Jokic in the playoffs. I know they’re banking on Murry being that guy, but personally I don’t see it.

凯尔特人球迷:我觉得掘金的实力很接近争冠,不过他们还需要一名至少是边缘全明星水准的球员,他能接管比赛,这样以来,掘金在季后赛里就不会单单只依赖约基奇。我知道他们在豪赌穆雷,但是我不看好他。

[–][SAS] Tim Duncan Old_Man_Riverwalk21 125 指標 2 天前

I’ve said this on here before but the exact player they need is the best version of Jamal Murray. That player to me fits around Jokic flawlessly being a good cutter and shooter, but has enough off the bounce game to create for himself and make difficult shots. He’s just too inconsistent at being a star now and is still growing, but if he hits his ceiling then I will consider them legit.

马刺球迷:我以前就说过,不过掘金需要的球员就是最强版本的穆雷。我觉得那样的他必须得具备出色的空切和投射,还有足够强大的运动能力去创造机会、完成不讲理进球,这样就能与约基奇无缝对接。穆雷现在还太不稳定,算不上球星,不过他还在成长,要是他兑现了全部天赋,那我会把掘金当争冠球队看待。

[–][SAS] Davis Bertans spursss 48 指標 2 天前

Jamal Murray needs to play like Bradley Beal every night. I’ve seen him do it (in person even), but his problem is consistency and nothing else.

马刺球迷:穆雷每晚得像比尔那样打球才行。我看过他这么打(甚至是现场),不过他的问题在于稳定性,没别的。

[–]Bulls FriendlyRedditUser23 102 指標 2 天前

If mpj stays healthy it’s gonna be him

公牛球迷:如果小波特能保持健康,那二当家就是他的。

[–]Celtics GriffHay 263 指標 2 天前

Not saying it’s impossible, but he’s had like 5 double-digit scoring games in his career so far…let’s mayyyybe slow the hype train down just a tad.

凯尔特人球迷:倒也不是说不可能,可波特职业生涯到现在,也就打出了大概5场得分上双的比赛啊……咱们还是慢吹吧

[–]Nuggets kappadoodledoo 24 指標 2 天前

you just have to watch him play, the Eye test is 100%. He is so fluid, so smooth and seems to score with ease. His defense is suspect but with his body type he should be able to become a better defender with some time.

掘金球迷:你看他打球就是了,天赋绝对肉眼可见。他打得非常流畅,手感丝滑,得分也如探囊取物一般。他的防守还不靠谱,不过毕竟有那副身板,假以时日,他的防守应该会更强。

[–][OKC] Steven Adams basketballandpuppies 13 指標 2 天前

If he can stay healthy and continue to develop. He’s not there yet and I really doubt he’ll be there by playoffs. Hell, it might take him another year or so to develop into a second scoring threat for them.

雷霆球迷:前提是他得保持健康不断成长啊。他现在还不是啊,我真觉得打到季后赛他也到不了那个水平。靠,或许他还得再发育个一个赛季才能成长为掘金的第二得分点。

[–]Bulls FriendlyRedditUser23 65 指標 2 天前

He started getting real minutes and is showing up he has massive potential he can be the nuggets 2nd option in like 2 years.

公牛球迷:他现在已经开始得到出场机会了,正在显现他巨大的潜力,大概两年后,就能成为掘金的第二选择。

[–]Bulls hankbaumbach 22 指標 2 天前

Grow up.

They have 4 players older than 25 (Millsap [34], Plumlee [29], Craig [29], Barton [28]) on the team.

Players 25 or under on the Nuggets this year:

Jerami Grant (25), Gary Harris (25), Nikola Jokic (24), Monte Morris (24), Juancho Hermangomez (24), PJ Dozier (23), Malik Beasley (23), Jamal Murray (22), Michael Porter Jr. (21), Vlatko Cancar (22), Jarred Vanderbilt (20), Bol Bol (20)

I like the roster as constructed and I would not change a thing for the rest of the year and hope the young core has grown from their playoff experiences and the team chemistry has matured enough to be a contender this season.

In the offseason I’d be interested to see who they replace Millsap with, but I’d expect a more shrewd signing with paydays for Jokic and Murray on the horizon.

公牛球迷:掘金还得成长啊。

他们队里年龄大于25的只有4个人(米尔萨普34岁、普拉姆利29岁、克雷格29岁、巴顿28岁)

这赛季年龄不超过25岁的有:

格兰特25岁、哈里斯25岁、约基奇24岁、蒙特-莫里斯24岁、埃尔南戈麦斯24岁、多齐尔23岁、马利克-比斯利23岁、穆雷22岁、小波特21岁、钱查尔22岁、范德比尔特20岁、波尔-波尔20岁

我喜欢这套阵容,要是我的话,这赛季就不会做任何改变,并希望年轻核心能通过季后赛经历成长起来,等到球队的化学反应足够成熟就能在这赛季具备争冠实力了。

等到休赛期,那我就会想着看看有谁能取代米尔萨普,不过我还是期望能有一笔更精明的签约,毕竟以后还得给约基奇和穆雷付高额薪水。

【键盘侠】掘金要想真正步入争冠行列 关键在小波特?

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[–]Mollster45 684 指標 2 天前

Do something in the playoffs.

还是先在季后赛有所作为吧

[–]Nuggets njasa10 179 指標 2 天前

To be fair, we were one close game away from the conference finals last year. Probably would have got swept just like Portland though based off how the regular season games against the Warriors went.

掘金球迷:有一说一,我们上赛季离分区决赛只差一场胜利。不过就算进了西决,或许也会像开拓者那样被横扫,毕竟我们常规赛打勇士就没占到便宜。

[–]Spurs ok_bill_simmons 38 指標 2 天前

The teams you faced were objectively worse, Portland should have been cleaned up in five or six, and the Spurs had absolutely zero business keeping the series as close as they did

马刺球迷:你们在季后赛里面对的球队实力其实是相对较弱的,开拓者本该被五六场解决战斗的,而且我刺压根就没那个实力在系列赛里和对手缠斗,可还是做到了。

[–]San Diego Rockets blueberryy 153 指標 2 天前

I don’t think those Blazers are better than any of the top 4 teams in the West rn, Nuggets should have won that series Wich is why they’re being doubted

火箭球迷:我觉得上赛季那支开拓者的实力不如西部前四,掘金本该拿下那轮系列赛的,所以现在他们的实力才会被人质疑。

[–]JordanCosgrove23 33 指標 2 天前

Eh, 4th youngest playoff team of all time last year. I give them a break.

呃,他们上赛季可是史上第四年轻的季后赛队伍,也别要求太高啊

[–]Nuggets Guardax 70 指標 2 天前

That series was rough. Lost the 4OT game, and the Blazers’ bench absolutely dunked on our bench. I’m not concerned about it though, the Nuggets’ window is going to be open for a while.

掘金球迷:那轮系列赛太艰难了。4加时那场输了,而且开拓者的替补席把我们的板凳完爆。不过我也不介意那个了,我们的窗口期会开放一段时间的。

[–]Thunder andrew1400 105 指標 2 天前

There was a time when I thought the same thing.

雷霆球迷:我当初对我雷也是这么想的。

[–]Nuggets Guardax 101 指標 2 天前

The Thunder had their window open for over ten years

掘金球迷:你雷当初的窗口期开放了十多年……

[–][MIL] Tony Snell Frogman417 24 指標 2 天前

And the Nuggets were also a game away from getting bounced in the first round. They need to make a big showing in the playoffs this time around, instead of scrapping by. With the Lakers and Clippers, I don’t think a second-round loss to one of those teams is quite a ‘disappointment’, but I think getting a convincing first round win and keeping things competitive in the second would help them out. Of course, if they did get to the conference finals or even the finals, then that’d establish them easily.

雄鹿球迷:掘金上赛季季后赛离首轮出局也只有一场比赛的差距啊。这次他们必须得在季后赛大秀肌肉,而不是勉力支撑。季后赛里毕竟有湖人和快船,要是他们在第二轮输给前两者之一,我觉得这也不能算是非常“让人失望”,不过我认为,要是首轮能以绝对实力碾压,然后在次轮打出竞争力,那就会让大家对掘金有所改观。当然了,如果他们能杀进西决甚至是总决,那就会轻松确立自己在联盟的地位。

[–][CLE] Kyrie Irving KKamm_ 28 指標 2 天前

They need to look good in the playoffs. They feel like the Raptors did back in the LeBronto era where they look really good in the regular season, but show that they can’t hang with others in the playoffs.

骑士球迷:他们必须得在季后赛打出实力。感觉他们像是勒伦多时代的猛龙,常规赛打得确实不错,不过到了季后赛就现原形了。

[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 13 指標 2 天前

It takes time. Last year was their first run. They had a great run and lost to a veteran team with more star power.

火箭球迷:这是需要时间的。上赛季是这支掘金在季后赛的第一波冲击。他们打得还是不错的,只是输给了一支球星更多的老练球队。

[–][CLE] Kyrie Irving KKamm_ 1 指標 2 天前

I’m not saying it as a bad thing, I’m saying that’s what it takes to be viewed as a finals contender. Like the Bucks too imo, although obviously they seem a little bit more likely with the east being as weak as it is this year

骑士球迷:我也没说这个经历不好,我想说的是,他们应该怎么做才能被大家看做是争冠球队。就像雄鹿一样,不过很显然,他们进入总决的可能性貌似更大一点,毕竟东部这赛季还是相对较弱。

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[–]Wizards Nbahottakes 74 指標 2 天前*

All the Nuggets need is time. I think they are just too young now, but 2-3 years from now I think they will be real contenders. Especially if MPJ ends up being as legit as we thought he could be.

奇才球迷:掘金唯一需要的就是时间。我觉得他们目前就是太年轻了,不过再等两三年,他们会成为真正争冠强队的。如果小波特能打出大家当初期望的那种水准,那就更稳了

[–]Thunder lighterjobs 12 指標 2 天前

I’ve maybe watched one nuggets game this year, and I’ve never even seen the guy play, but if he’s as good as Denver fans say he is, then it’s over for the rest of the league in a year or two

雷霆球迷:这赛季我就看了一场掘金比赛,还没看过波特打球,不过他如果真有掘金球迷说的那么厉害,那再过一两个赛季,联盟其他球队就甭玩了。

[–]Rockets mrcpayeah 18 指標 2 天前

as Denver fans say he is, then it’s over for the rest of the league in a year or two

A lot of things change in two years.

火箭球迷:“他如果真有掘金球迷说的那么厉害,那再过一两个赛季,联盟其他球队就甭玩了”

两年时间会发生很多改变的。

[–]immolxte 2 指標 2 天前

lakers might have giannis and ad + lebron in his 7th prime

到时候湖人或许会有字母哥、戴维斯,再加上进入第7个巅峰期的老詹

[–]Rockets mrcpayeah 3 指標 2 天前

exactly. As soon as Warriors got injured the Lakers and Clippers emerged as contenders. Who knows what happens? What if Houston flames out with Westbrook and we trade Harden to Portland or something? No dynasties are guaranteed.

火箭球迷:就是。勇士这赛季一受伤,湖人和快船就成了争冠球队。谁知道会发生啥呢?如果我火得到威少之后在季后赛软趴趴,然后我们把哈登送到波特兰呢?没有任何王朝球队是有保障的。

[–]Allen_Potter 93 指標 2 天前

Nuggets fan here: they’re not a contender yet (Houston is obviously a nightmare, and LAL at full strength is scary. I don’t think they are outclassed by anyone else in the West, but that’s already 2 teams that are poised to whoop Denver in the playoffs this year). They have a great chance to get there though. Most of the roster has still not reached its potential, and um, did you people see the MPJ show last night? Tantalizing, to say the least. Still, last year was this core’s first appearance in the playoffs and they did pretty well. Dumbshits who don’t even watch any Nuggets games can talk about who is and who isn’t a contender all day, and remain clueless to the team’s trajectory. There is no plan to trade for a Lebron or a Kawhi or a Davis. This team is building. Will they make it to the mountaintop? We’ll see. I LOVE how they’re doing it so far, and the fact that they probably won’t make it to The Finals this year doesn’t change anything for me.

掘金球迷在此,我们目前还没有争冠实力(休斯顿显然是我们的噩梦,而且认真打的湖人也很吓人。我觉得他们在西部不输任何对手,不过这就已经有两支预计能在今年季后赛干掉掘金的球队了。)可是我们还是有很大机会步入那个行列的。我们这个阵容里的大多数球员仍然没有兑现各自的天赋,还有啊,你们看到小波特那天的表现了吗?撩得人心痒痒啊。再者说了,上赛季是我们这帮核心首次在季后赛亮相,他们表现非常不错啊。那些压根就没看过掘金一场比赛的沙雕成天就会说谁谁谁是不是争冠球队,却对我们的成长轨迹一无所知。我们没有追逐老詹、小卡或戴维斯的打算,这支球队还在建造中。他们能步入顶级行列吗?拭目以待呗。球队目前的表现我很喜欢,即便他们进不了这赛季的总决,也丝毫不能动摇我对他们的认知。

[–][DEN] Paul Millsap Cwright421 41 指標 2 天前

What always pisses me off is that before last year’s playoffs, we were told we would be an easy first round exit. After winning the first round and taking the second round to seven games, people clown us for not making it to the WCF. We could make it there this year and all we hear next year will be "Yeah, but they’ve never been to the finals, so they suck."

掘金球迷:总让我不爽的就是上赛季季后赛之前,很多人说我们首轮就会很快出局。赢了首轮,又在次轮打到抢七之后,那些人又取笑我们没进西决。也许这赛季我们能进西决,到了下赛季他们还是只会说“是啊,可他们从没进过总决,菜鸡啊”。

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